I was listening to this at work. Pleasantly surprised that this isn’t a retreat to the same things they’ve discussed the last three times they have met.
There is a segment on stoicism at around around 1:43:32, where Peterson shares an anecdote about Søren Kierkegaard:
He was’t one of these people who was capable of inventing something wonderful to make life easier for everyone, like so many people were doing, you know, during the industrial revolution. So he said, “Maybe I’m one of these people, whose benefit to society will be that I will make things more difficult for everyone, because there will come a time when what people want… not… they don’t want ease, they want difficulty instead.”
And I think, that is what people want… that is what they want. You think “Well I want an easy happy life-“… well, no! Actually, that isn’t what you want.
… [they] want an optimal challenge.
This philosophy, of making suffering have worth, has drawn me (and several other men) to Peterson, who espouses masculinity, discipline and autonomy in a time when people are crying over manufactured outrage and looking for an easy way out.
Peterson’s lack of definition of postmodernism (ha! the irony) still bothers me, but man, am I glad to have this man tell me to shut the fuck up and get to work.
And Joe gets a nice little quote in here too:
Would you rather be a warrior in a garden or a gardener in war?
Oh, the moon came really close, turned blood red and underwent an eclipse last night.